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Undoubtedly the best-known Muslim journalist working in English, Yvonne Ridley has written for several of the biggest British publications, as well as al-Jazeera and Press TV. She is also an accomplished documentary filmmaker and one of Europe’s best known Muslim human-rights activists. Her books include In the Hands of the Taliban, Ticket to Paradise, God Made Me!: Who Made You? , The Caledonians, Torture: Does It Work?, The Rise of the Prophet Muhammad: Don’t Shoot the Messenger.
Yvonne Ridley rocketed to fame when she was captured by the Taliban on the eve of the US invasion of Afghanistan, then apparently targeted for a false-flag operation by US forces, who wanted to kill her and blame it on the Taliban. After surviving the false-flag plot, Yvonne kept a promise to her captors to read the Qur’an – and she was amazed at what she found. She came to Islam in 2003, and has been a leading Muslim human rights activist and engagée journalist ever since.
In this interview she discusses the ongoing genocide of Gaza—and the Israeli drone strike on the aid ship Conscience off Malta, which could have killed her and Greta Thunberg, among so many others.
Transcript
Kevin Barrett: It’s hard to keep up, it’s hard to contextualize it and figure out what’s going on in the larger sweep of history. Are we about to be taken over by AI or aliens or djinn? Is the U.S. empire collapsing and are we witnessing its death spasms? And if so, what happens next? It’s all very mysterious, and certainly tragic in terms of this genocide in Palestine, the Holy Land. It’s holy to more than half of the world’s population. Yet this tiny minority sect that hates Jesus has gone and taken it over. And they’re committing genocide. They’re focusing especially on killing women and children with relish. And watching this go on for a year and a half has been really grueling, hasn’t it?
Yvonne Ridley: It’s been horrific. And I would have been tempted to correct you maybe a couple of years ago by saying, oh, we can’t lay this all on the door of the Israelis. But I actually think that we can. Because this is more than their government. More than half the people in Israel know fine well what is happening. They know that there’s a genocide on their door and they are looking the other way. The very people who told us never forget over the Holocaust are now looking the other way because a Holocaust is unfolding on their doorstep. And I just… They do know what’s going on. And I was listening to the former Israeli Prime Minister, Olmert, yesterday and he was saying that more than half of the Israelis are against what these thugs are doing. And he described Netanyahu and his military as thugs.
So that was quite interesting coming from Ehud Almut, a former Israeli Prime Minister. By saying that this is against more than half of Israel, it means that they’re all aware of what is unfolding. They’re all aware of what is happening on their doorstep. And, you know, this is a country that isn’t even the size of a South African game park. And it is wreaking havoc across the world and committing atrocities that I…would never have imagined that I would witness in the 21st century.
When did doctors become a target? When did journalists become a target? Humanitarian aid workers, babies in incubators, even babies in test tubes, People go on about the amount of babies that have been killed. 5,000 with one missile, and that was on a fertility clinic. And these were all embryos, which, according to Trump’s brigade, are all viable human beings. And it’s astonishing. Nobody is safe.
Just last week, I returned from Malta, having intended to sail on a boat to deliver aid to Gaza. And it was targeted—thousands of miles away from Israel and Occupied Palestine. And that ship was hit with two missiles in the Mediterranean, in the heart of Europe. None of us are safe.
You were going to be on that ship. Tell us a little bit more about that. Where were you when that attack happened?
Well, I was packing my bag ready to board the ship along with 35 other international activists, including Greta Thunberg. And they would have killed her. They would have killed little Greta Thunberg, the dynamo behind the climate movement.
She was the most famous person on Earth for a while. And then she spoke out for Gaza and suddenly she became an unperson.
Yes, she has diminished in headlines, but her heart is as big as ever. And she discovered Palestine. And like everybody else who discovers Palestine, they just can’t believe the story and think, “I’ve got to get involved and get justice for these people.”
Indeed. So the boat got hit. It’s being repaired. And I take it, are you still part of that project?
I’m very much part of the Freedom Flotilla Coalition, and I’ve told them just today, I’m ready to sail. I believe that there’s another boat that’s been prepared, and I’m ready to go on it.
You know, this is a very simple, peaceful journey, a bit of activism that somebody my age can take part in. And it’s delivering aid to Gaza. Nowhere near enough, but it’s more symbolic than anything else. Apart from the food and the water that they so desperately need, there’s medicines, something as basic as painkillers. How many of us reach for the medicine cabinet if we get a headache because we can’t stand the pain? Imagine the pain that a child is going through having just had their limb amputated without anaesthetic. And it’s… inhumane what these children are having to go through. And you know the surgeons and the doctors and the medical staff are broken. Because they gave an oath, they swore an oath to preserve life. And it must go against every doctor’s ethics to perform an operation without anaesthetics. But in order to save a life, you know, this is what they have to do. And no medical professional should have to go through that.
In fact, I did write to the Israeli Doctors’ Union or Medical Union and said, for God’s sake! Surely you can intervene. But I didn’t get a response from them, not even an acknowledgement that they had received my letter, although I did send it to the email address advertised. But I just thought maybe if I appeal to fellow professionals there’ll be someone somewhere, for God’s sake, whose heart is melting. But it doesn’t seem to be that way.
In terms of fellow professionals, not just doctors, but also journalists don’t seem to be as upset about the deliberate massacre of hundreds of journalists, as one might expect. In the past, journalists have at times gotten angry and made noise when even one of their number was targeted. I remember when Somoza was overthrown in Nicaragua after uh the execution of an American journalist. I remember watching that on television and seeing the American news anchors’ outrage. That was a huge factor in allowing Somoza to be overthrown. But today with vastly worse treatment of journalists coming from Israel, it seems the Western journalistic establishment is somewhere between totally complicit and largely complicit in this genocide. To what do you attribute that?
Well, one journalist who was murdered in his hospital bed just yesterday—He was in hospital because he’d already suffered a missile strike and was burned and he was being treated for his burns and they, not content with the fact that they’d already injured him, they pursued him into his hospital bed. And they used what is called a suicide drone, which is exactly the same sort of drone that was used to target our boat. And this suicide drone—it’s called such because it means that it will be destroyed in the mission so it’s only going to go one way—went into his hospital room and dispatched the missile on his bed.
Now, this is interesting because they can be that specific with their targeting. As they were on our boat. They wanted to get the generator, which for anybody listening, if you imagine that a missile was coming for your car radiator, it was that specific. And they knocked out the generator. And they used the same method to kill this journalist in the European hospital, I think it was, yesterday. Now, if they can be that specific in their targeting and they’re not committing genocide, so they say, how is it that so far they’ve killed more than 60,000 people, probably nearly 100,000? [Or more. -Ed.]
And if they can be that strategic… We keep being told, “well, there’s a command center. Hamas are hiding behind this hospital. Hamas was hiding inside this university.” If they can take out a ship’s generator and if they can take out an individual journalist… then why are we getting so many deaths?
And basically, I believe this, Kevin, I think that the Israelis are that insane and that psychotic that they are using Gaza and surrounding areas as one big experimental military laboratory where they are testing out different missiles, different weapons, different bombs. And they’re treating us all like mice in a laboratory. And they have no heart, they have no compassion, they have no red lines. This is a nuclear power and they are the most dangerous people on the planet today.
Now the people will say, oh, she’s anti-Semitic. This has absolutely nothing to do with the great faith of Judaism and has everything to do with the evil political ideology of Zionism.
There’s a discussion to be had there about to what extent Zionism is a heretical offshoot of Judaism that really is opposed to Judaism, or to what extent it actually in some ways does represent the mainstream tradition of Jewish eschatology—the prophetic millenarian expectations of a Jewish Messiah who’s going to conquer the world. Zionism seems to be sort of a maniacal offshoot of that. So anyway, that’s a long discussion. But I personally am convinced that there are some flaws or some problems in traditional Judaism that have quite a lot to do with what we’re seeing in Gaza.
Well, I would dispute that, but it is worth a discussion. And nothing should be off limits at the moment. We had a famous TV celebrity, a sportsman, Gary Lineker, make an apology a couple of days ago for retweeting something that on reflection he felt he shouldn’t have done. And it was some sort of cartoon that drew the analogy…It used a rodent or a rat. And this was said to be anti-Semitic. And I haven’t seen the cartoon that he put out. So I don’t know how offensive it was, but I do know it didn’t kill any babies in the womb. It didn’t kill any babies in incubators. It didn’t starve any children to death. It didn’t mow down any children. Nobody died as a result. And to be told, “well, it’s hurt people’s feelings.” I think, to hell with that. To hell with people’s feelings. People are being butchered in front of our TV living rooms, in front of our iPads, in front of our telephones, our smartphones. We’re seeing people being incinerated. So I’m not interested in somebody whose feelings are hurt.
Absolutely not. Yeah, I agree completely.
They die because of it. He didn’t kill anybody because he retweeted something that may or may not have been offensive. I don’t know. I haven’t seen it.
Yeah, I think I have. I’ve seen it. And it’s like it’s got an Israeli flag background. And I think it’s got a rat in the same blue and white colors. I forget the details. But in any case…I mean, one could argue that they should be apologizing to rats.
Because the rats are not running around committing these kinds of crimes. And, you know, I honestly think that this is an opportunity to sort of rethink a lot of things. I know over the past 25 years, since I started looking into 9/11 and pointing the fingers at people like Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, who are not Jewish, and then finding that the whole Jewish establishment was coming down on me and doing everything it could at every level, from the local level where the communist Jewish manager of a local bookstore went on a complete rampage against 9/11 truth, on up to Wikipedia, where they started calling me a Holocaust denier when I had never said anything or even knew anything about that issue. They just made it up out of whole cloth and sourced it to some obscure blogger.
After that experience, I started looking into this whole issue of this so-called Jewish question. There’s been this tension between Jews and non-Jews throughout history. And after studying that for a while, I came to the conclusion that it’s not all the fault of the non-Jews, which is the official story. Just like official stories of Zionism and 9/11 are not true, that official story isn’t true either. And on reflection, how could I have ever been so stupid as to think that it would have always been the fault of the non-Jews? It’s ridiculous.
And indeed, if we look at the Jewish storytelling tradition, going back through the Torah—and unlike Laurent Guyenot, the critic of the Torah that I translated, I think there’s a lot of good material and divinely revealed material in the Torah. But I also think there’s some material there that is indefensible. It can’t possibly be genuinely revealed from God.
And after looking at these stories of one massacre after another, where the story is always the same: “They tried to kill us. We killed them first. Hey, let’s celebrate. Let’s eat.” That’s the story of every Jewish holiday. And it’s also the story of the Holocaust as well: “They tried to kill us. We won. Hey, let’s eat. And let’s get reparations. And let’s guilt trip everybody into letting us rule the world, through taking over the world of finance and the world of media.” That’s how it looks to me. And you’re not supposed to say that.
Now I think you’re conflating Zionism with Judaism. But…As I say, you know, not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. In fact, there are far many more Zionist Christians out there than there are Jewish Zionists. So there’s five million Trump supporters who are all Zionists, and Trump himself. He’s a strange combination of someone who is anti-Semitic, but he is forgiven for all of his anti-Semitism and all of his stereotypical tropes because he’s a chief Zionist and he has probably delivered more to the Zionists than any other leader on the planet today.
Yeah, that’s true that Trump and his supporters are quite an interesting case. Unfortunately, there are more than five million of them. I think maybe you meant 50 million or something. I would guess that the Christian Zionists would be in the tens of millions in the United States, unfortunately.
So, yeah, I’m not saying that the Jews have a monopoly on vice or non-Jews have a monopoly on virtue. I think it’s actually pretty even. But I do think that Jewish tradition of being a minority that has had to interact with majorities in all of these different cultures, build trade networks, be very, very successful in working to get resources from all of these different societies where Jewish communities settled, has led to and was produced by a mentality of extreme ethnocentrism. They really hang together against outsiders. And that, I think, was less harmful to the world when Jews were minorities in the diaspora. But now that history has led to this situation where there’s such Jewish domination of finance and media in the West, as well as them having this genocidal gangster state armed to the teeth of nuclear weapons, it’s really reached a point where we can give some credence to the critics of Jewish eschatology like Bishop Williamson. I have had him on the show a couple of times. The headline of the last show I did with him was: “The Jews do have a vision, world domination.” And that sounds anti-Semitic, right? If you didn’t know that traditional Jewish eschatology is indeed that the Messiah will be a military conqueror who subjugates all of the non-Jews and every Jew has 2,800 non-Jewish slaves, that is the eschatology.
In Islam and in Christianity, we say Jesus comes back and inaugurates a kind of a spiritualized paradise, and there’s none of that tribal superiority. So again, I do think that there are these issues in the religion—which doesn’t mean that everybody in the religion interprets everything in such a way as to be part of this problem. But there are aspects of the traditional religion that lend themselves to these problems. And I think we should be able to talk about that. And indeed, people do talk about it. The Jews talk about it. Reform Jews talk about this all the time. They don’t like aspects of their Talmud. And a lot of them don’t even like the Torah. And they have all kinds of problems with it. But they’re allowed to talk about it.
‘I think everybody needs to talk about it now, especially with the genocide that’s going on. And who knows, maybe you’ll get pushback from the government. I understand in the UK now, you’re not supposed to express any support for Hamas. In October 2023, I wrote a piece headlined “Why I support Hamas and you should too.” And I imagine that that’s illegal in the UK, apparently.
It’s becoming illegal in the UK. The UK used to be a beacon of human rights and a lightning rod for anybody who wanted to escape persecution. They would land up on these shores and claim asylum. Now, I think it’s going to be the reverse. I really feel as though freedom of speech is going. It’s in danger. The police state…is taking over. We used to joke about things being a police state, but when we’ve had about four journalists now who’ve had armed police raid their homes in the middle of the night, trash their belongings, terrify the occupants, and for nothing more than being people who have written in support of Palestine. And it’s… It really is unbelievable, the state of affairs.
I’m pleased I live in Scotland. There’s a different legal system here, but it’s only a matter of time before that’s going to change as well. You know, I came to Scotland and joined the independence movement because we desperately need to get away from Westminster’s rule. It really is… It’s become so bad now. Every newspaper falls under the MOD’s D notices, which forbids you from writing about anything. Any journalist who finds anything interesting, for instance, about the RAF’s secretive flights from Akrotiri in Cyprus over to Gaza and handing intelligence over to Israel, the newspapers aren’t allowed to report that. They’ve all had a D notice telling them that they cannot report on what the RAF, the Royal Air Force, is getting up to overseas.
This has been done in our name and we ought to know. My grandfather was in the RAF. He’d be spinning in his grave now if he thought that British spy planes were being used to fly over Gaza, this hell on earth, and sending intelligence to Israel so that they can return and drop bombs on refugees living in tents and incinerating hospitals and universities and schools. This is not what the RAF was designed for. In fact, I’ve been told that the morale is very low among some seniors in the RAF because they feel ashamed of what the Israeli Air Force is doing in Gaza using information that they have handed over.
And part of the reason for this is the way that a certain wing of the establishment, including the Zionist establishment, prevented Jeremy Corbyn from becoming the next prime minister. He was totally on the path for that. How did that work? They just threw out these ridiculously empty accusations of anti-Semitism against him and somehow that magically stopped people from voting for him. What’s wrong with the British people?
Well, the net effect of all of this is that people are now up to here with politics. They don’t feel as though they can make that much of a difference. They’re very disengaged from politics. They’re going… They’re making crazy decisions. They’re going for populist votes. And it’s… Our democracy is in the can. It’s really…it’s…in fact, I love politics. And every election day, I used to get really excited thinking “this is the one day in the year when the prince and the pauper, their votes count the same. It doesn’t matter, rich man, poor man, whatever. Each vote carries an equal weight.”
And all of that is gone now. You know, it’s just destroyed. And I switch on the television and I listen to Parliament. And they sit there on these green benches, these self-opinionated, self-important men, and they lie. And we know that they’re lying. And anybody who stands up and has the guts to say you’re lying is kicked out of the parliament for insulting an honorable member.
And they’re all liars. We can see what is happening in Gaza by picking up our mobile phones. And yet the international community is refusing to call it a genocide because they know once they admit that this is a genocide, then they are duty bound under international law to act to stop it. And supplying Israel with weapons is not acting to stop a genocide. It’s actually encouraging it. And Britain is complicit in it. And the honorable men who sit in the House of Commons, they should be sitting in The Hague, charged with war crimes.
This is popular opinion. And people can see. They know what a genocide looks like. And the language coming out of Israel from hoodlums like Smotrich, from the far right…And again, Ehud Olmert is saying that they are thugs and that they must be stopped.
Yeah, it’s crazy. It does appear that there might be some movement happening now with Trump leaning away from Netanyahu towards the Saudis. Whether that’s entirely good or not, but it at least raises the chance—I wrote a piece for American Free Press about a month ago, laying out the case that it’s time to throw Netanyahu under the bus. The Jewish oligarchy in the West can see, half of them at least, can see that this is not good for the Jews, it’s not good for Israel, it’s not good for anybody. And so if the American power structure really came down hard and regime-changed Israel and forced the end of the genocide—of course they’d have to buy into the Arab peace plan, which is imperfect, but anyway it just seems like the logic of politics dictates doing that. At this point, Netanyahu—this is a personal thing for him, he needs to stay in power to stay out of prison. And so he’s keeping this thing going forever. And it’s not really in the larger interest of the powerful players to keep letting him do it.
Well, I mean, he couldn’t give a toss about the hostages, the Israeli hostages. He couldn’t care less about them. But what I can’t understand is why won’t the Western media talk about this Hannibal Directive? The Israeli media has no problem in writing about it. Thanks to Haretz, we now know that the Hannibal Directive was invoked on October 7, and Israel probably killed more of its own people than Hamas did, because of the Hannibal Directive. But we’re still going along with this narrative that there was this heinous operation on October 7. And I mean, were you surprised when October 7 happened? I wasn’t.
No, of course not. You could see it coming. Ever since the so-called Abraham Accords, which were more like the Shaytan Accords, as far as I was concerned, you could see that this was coming. And so it didn’t surprise me at all. I was actually quite honestly pleased. I mean, what else can you? These underdogs have been beaten down so long. And I watched the coverage on Al Jazeera and elsewhere. I had just moved to Morocco that summer and following it in the media, the Arab media that actually showed the reality of it. It was clear that this was not some kind of horrible terrorist slaughter of civilians. This was actually a really well planned out military operation. Maybe there was a stand down that helped it on the other side, I don’t know, but they certainly achieved far more success than they expected. And they went after military targets primarily. Their number one mission was to bring back Israeli military hostages to trade for Palestinian hostages. And then secondarily, as a fallback measure, they were authorized to grab civilian hostages, too. And you can argue that that’s unethical if you want to. But given what the Palestinians face, I’m not so sure about that.
In any case, there was no deliberate plan to harm civilians other than grab some hostages. But they were not there to massacre civilians. And they didn’t even know there was going to be a music festival there. The whole mainstream narrative of this (is lies). If you want the truth about it, you need to read people like Scott Ritter, who called it the most successful military raid of the century. But the mainstream media has lied so systematically about it with just endless, obvious genocide propaganda, I really think that the ownership and directors of the mainstream media should end up facing a new Nuremberg trial at some point.
Well, unfortunately, the world we’re living in today, Kevin, might is right. And they’re the ones who dictate who will end up in The Hague. And the only thing that we can hope for is that more countries like South Africa stand up. and heroically resist the West. The West has to start looking and listening to the global South. And the global South are looking at us at the moment as though they’ve got something nasty on the bottom of their shoe. And I can’t blame them for it.
You know, I… going out to Malta, I’m going through the airport and I’m carrying my British passport and it’s not a source of pride for me at all. You know, this is something that’s quite shameful. And the more that I look into the history of Britain, theAnd the more that I look into the history of Britainand America, the more I’m disgusted. But you if you look right into the history, there’s nothing that Israel is doing today that the British Empire and the American Empire haven’t done in the past. And that is the shame. We have used famine as a weapon of war. We have locked up people without trial, without charge. We have brutalized unarmed people and killed women and children. And the bombing or blitzing of Dresden during the Second World War by Britain was something quite shocking.
Right. That’s a whole other issue, that the history that we’re taught, the victor’s history, turns out to be wrong in so many ways. That would be a big conversation to even go into. But getting back to :the global south has had it up to here with this Anglo-Zionist empire.” Do you think that we could be seeing some big changes there? Because we just saw Pakistan prevail over india in their big dogfight skirmish using Chinese weapons. And the best European and Israeli and American weapons fell flat, going up against the Chinese, not even their best stuff, being used by Pakistan. So the military level as well as the production level, where China is now so far ahead of any competition in terms of its manufacturing capacity, which is what wins wars. That’s why World War II came out the way it did, because of the US manufacturing capacity primarily, and the Russian one too, of course.
So anyway, the global balance of power seems to be shifting along with the ideology, right? The Western worship of democracy and freedom, Western democratic liberalism is obviously on its deathbed. As you were remarking, there isn’t much of it left anymore. Nobody really believes in it anymore. So what comes next?
And this leads us to the idea that Islam might play an interesting role in a number of ways. Including people like you and me who’ve come to Islam by recognizing it as a plausible final revelation that is very rigorously ethical and moral. And one wonders whether Westerners, seeing this at some point, as their civilization implodes and rots and disappears, there might be more people who will notice this and we might end up with a rebirth of Islam in the West. Is that some kind of crazy fantasy or is there any chance it could actually happen?
Well, that’s a wonderful thought. But looking back at history and then looking to the future, Europe is once again swinging to the far right. We’ve had about 11 different elections and they’ve all swung to the far right. And I just think, my God, it wasn’t even 100 years ago that the Third Reich seized power, initially democratically, in democratic elections. But I just despair. I don’t think we’re learning anything from history. You and I both came to Islam and you and I both know that in our hearts, Islam is perfect, but the people who practice it aren’t. And we’ve seen that with the Gulf states, some really powerful, dirty games are being played. There’s the United Arab Emirates that is working overtime to undermine the democracy in Tunisia, to kill the democracy that started in Libya. The crown princes who are treating the Middle East as their playground are competing against each other to see who can build the tallest building.
The sign of the of the end of the world, the End Times (akhir uz-zamaan).
The most successful football team. Who can have the World Cup? Who can sportswash their reputations? Who can bring Formula One racing to their cities? And these are three relatively young men who have far too much money, who are psychotic.
Look at the Trump meeting with Mohammed bin Salman. And gosh, you know, it was like “pass the sick bag.” Trump was just overflowing in compliments to this man who…in all but name wielded a chainsaw to dismember Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist who he wanted to punish for writing nasty things about him.
And it’s like the laws of the universe are just upside down. And I just wonder what the next generation how they’re going to turn out. Because we’ve got a convicted felon in the White House. He has no respect for the law. We’ve got, well, a would-be convicted felon in Tel Aviv, who again is no respecter of the law, and he’s now committing a genocide to keep himself out of the dock for facing fraud charges. Netanyahu is a common criminal. And the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, who is supposed to be a human rights lawyer, knows all of this. And yet he’s willing to hold his nose and do business and support and be friends with all of these unsavory people that you wouldn’t really have as house guests. And so what sort of message are we sending out to our children?
And then, Guantanamo is still in existence. There are still men sitting in Guantanamo who’ve been there for over 20 years without trial, without charge, and now can’t go through court because the only evidence against them was extracted under torture.
Right. And that actually leads to the point that the real evidence for the 9/11 Commission’s version of events, if you actually follow the footnotes, goes back to those secondhand reports of what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed supposedly said under torture. That’s the evidence that they use to present their version of 9/11 to the world, which pretty much undermines it right there. You don’t even have to worry about Building 7 and those things. Just read the 9/11 Commission report and you know that this whole thing is a farce.
Well, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed used the torture as a weapon against the Americans. Because they thought it was actually working and making him sing. And of course he was giving them all sorts of deaf information that had them going And of course he was giving them all sorts of deaf information that had them going around the world on a wild goose chase.
He confessed to everything and then some, everything but the JFK assassination and the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, including crimes committed after he was already in custody. I guess that’s what torture will get you. But yeah, boy, it’s again, as we said at the beginning, the world is not getting any less crazy.
That’s for sure. Well, Yvonne, a nonprofit that I work with is starting a new publication called the Al-Andalus Tribune. And I’ll send you some information about it. If you become a contributor we can put some of your stuff there like this interview, for example.
I would love to. I would love to. And I’m just finishing an article at the moment about what really happened when the freedom flotilla boat, the Conscience, was bombed, and the weapons that were used. This is something that will be of interest to everybody because people imagine drone warfare and great big missiles. I don’t think they were. To be able to get the pinpoint technology that they used, it was something else.
That sounds like a really interesting report, especially given that you were about to get on that boat and you may be going back on another boat. So that you definitely have skin in the game there. So that should be a really fascinating piece.
Well, I haven’t taken it personally, so I’m able to—I’m trying anyway—to be impartial. But…We’re living in a strange world and we have to stand up and be counted.
Okay, that’s a great place to leave it. And I hope our audience will think about standing up and being counted too and going the extra step. Thank you so much, Dr. Yvonne Ridley. It’s great talking with you again. God bless you. Keep up the great work.
And let’s not leave it as long next time.
(We’ll reconnect) much, much faster than that.
Okay.
Talk again soon, inshallah.
